Disney restaurant bans children

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

This should make for an interesting thread.
Although I have never been to Victoria and Albert's I totally agree
with this decision.

Sandi Femino

2008-01-06 15:09:05 UTC

Post by unknown

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. (AP) â Children are no longer welcome at Walt
Disney World's swankiest restaurant.
Victoria and Albert's in the Grand Floridian Resort and Spa says children
under ten years old are no longer welcome.
The restaurant's general manager says based on research and feedback, it
was the right move to make for a better dining experience for adults.
Victoria and Albert's has won AAA's prestigious five-diamond rating. But
its new policy is still a rarity in the restaurant business.

This should make for an interesting thread.
Although I have never been to Victoria and Albert's I totally agree
with this decision.

I agree as well, kidagain, but I smiled to see who had posted agreement
first, given your screen name ;)

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Sandi

unknown

2008-01-06 23:24:38 UTC

Post by unknown
This should make for an interesting thread.
Although I have never been to Victoria and Albert's I totally agree
with this decision.

I agree as well, kidagain, but I smiled to see who had posted agreement
first, given your screen name ;)

Yes, but I only go back as far as age 11.

(Someone asked W. C. Fields: "How do you like children?")
(He responded:) "Parboiled!"

NickM

2008-01-07 03:43:09 UTC

Post by unknown

Post by unknown
This should make for an interesting thread.
Although I have never been to Victoria and Albert's I totally agree
with this decision.

I agree as well, kidagain, but I smiled to see who had posted agreement
first, given your screen name ;)

Yes, but I only go back as far as age 11.
(Someone asked W. C. Fields: "How do you like children?")
(He responded:) "Parboiled!"

I'm guessing you got the "Jonathan Swift" reference about 8 or 10
posts back, then? :)

unknown

2008-01-08 04:54:08 UTC

Post by NickM

Post by unknown

Post by unknown
This should make for an interesting thread.
Although I have never been to Victoria and Albert's I totally agree
with this decision.

I agree as well, kidagain, but I smiled to see who had posted agreement
first, given your screen name ;)

Yes, but I only go back as far as age 11.
(Someone asked W. C. Fields: "How do you like children?")
(He responded:) "Parboiled!"

I'm guessing you got the "Jonathan Swift" reference about 8 or 10
posts back, then? :)

I missed that one.

2008-01-05 22:24:48 UTC

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. (AP) - Children are no longer welcome at Walt
Disney World's swankiest restaurant.
Victoria and Albert's in the Grand Floridian Resort and Spa says children
under ten years old are no longer welcome.
The restaurant's general manager says based on research and feedback, it
was the right move to make for a better dining experience for adults.
Victoria and Albert's has won AAA's prestigious five-diamond rating. But
its new policy is still a rarity in the restaurant business.

Barred because of age? Maybe the discrimination laws only apply to
employment. That said, I bet there aren't many 50 year old waitresses at
Hooter's.

I've never been to Victoria and Albert's either but I don't think it's a
good move. Imagine if you're staying at the Grand Floridian and have
children under 10, you can't use their restaurant unless you lose the kids?

Derek Janssen

2008-01-05 22:40:08 UTC

Post by Ed
Barred because of age? Maybe the discrimination laws only apply to
employment. That said, I bet there aren't many 50 year old waitresses at
Hooter's.
I've never been to Victoria and Albert's either but I don't think it's a
good move. Imagine if you're staying at the Grand Floridian and have
children under 10, you can't use their restaurant unless you lose the kids?

Their "restaurant"? Did 1900 Park Fare close down?

Derek Janssen
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Patty Winter

2008-01-05 23:14:24 UTC

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by Ed
I've never been to Victoria and Albert's either but I don't think it's a
good move. Imagine if you're staying at the Grand Floridian and have
children under 10, you can't use their restaurant unless you lose the kids?

Their "restaurant"? Did 1900 Park Fare close down?

Not to mention the cafe, the Garden View Lounge, Citrico's, Narcoosee's,
and the food court.

Guests with children are not going to starve if they can't go to V&A...

Patty

2008-01-05 23:46:39 UTC

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Derek Janssen

Their "restaurant"? Did 1900 Park Fare close down?

Not to mention the cafe, the Garden View Lounge, Citrico's, Narcoosee's,
and the food court.
Guests with children are not going to starve if they can't go to V&A...
Patty

Points well taken. My point is that if you are a 'guest' at the Grand
Floridian you shouldn't be banned from a restaurant because you have kids.
It's kind of like come and join us for dinner, just leave your cigarettes,
children, and all other offensive matter elsewhere. Welcome.

Denise

2008-01-06 06:21:29 UTC

Post by Ed
Points well taken. My point is that if you are a 'guest' at the Grand
Floridian you shouldn't be banned from a restaurant because you have kids.

You aren't banned. The kids are.

As far as the cost - I believe it is $125 and up.

Denise
www.mousesteps.com

www.bigbrian-nc.com

2008-01-08 21:51:43 UTC

Post by Denise

Post by Ed
Points well taken. My point is that if you are a 'guest' at the Grand
Floridian you shouldn't be banned from a restaurant because you have kids.

You aren't banned. The kids are.
As far as the cost - I believe it is $125 and up.
Denise
www.mousesteps.com

And for that price, if you were thinking about taking your children
"just because you were going", I'm thinking you can get the kids a meal
and babysitting service or kids club (like the one at the poly
), probably with some change to spare.

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Peppermint Patty

2008-01-07 14:45:22 UTC

Post by Ed
Points well taken. My point is that if you are a 'guest' at the Grand
Floridian you shouldn't be banned from a restaurant because you have kids.
It's kind of like come and join us for dinner, just leave your cigarettes,
children, and all other offensive matter elsewhere. Welcome.- Hide quoted text -

People aren't banned from V&A because they have kids. They are asked
to keep this an adult-only restaurant. If they want to eat here that
badly, get a sitter.

2008-01-07 15:16:35 UTC

People aren't banned from V&A because they have kids.

Kids ARE people.

Rudeney

2008-01-07 16:46:33 UTC

People aren't banned from V&A because they have kids.

Kids ARE people.

Except for the ones on your flight with dirty diapers, right? ;-)

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2008-01-07 17:01:28 UTC

People aren't banned from V&A because they have kids.

Kids ARE people.

Except for the ones on your flight with dirty diapers, right? ;-)

Stinky people but still people :-)

I can certainly understand and may even be in favor of adult only
restaurants. What bothers me about this restaurant is that it's at WDW, one
of the ultimate FAMILY vacation spots. Lose your children, most likely the
reason(s) that they visited WDW in the first place, or you aren't welcome
here. It just doesn't ring right to me.

Keane

2008-01-07 18:08:05 UTC

People aren't banned from V&A because they have kids.

Kids ARE people.

Except for the ones on your flight with dirty diapers, right? ;-)

Stinky people but still people :-)

I refuse to get involved with your petty bickering. BWAhahahha...

Post by Ed
I can certainly understand and may even be in favor of adult only
restaurants. What bothers me about this restaurant is that it's at WDW, one
of the ultimate FAMILY vacation spots. Lose your children, most likely the
reason(s) that they visited WDW in the first place, or you aren't welcome
here. It just doesn't ring right to me.

Well, it's not like they're doing an adults only night at MK
or Mama Melroses. (Hmmm... I like the adults only MK thing.)
We're talking about a hightly exclusive and expensive restaurant
that less than 1% of Disney guests go to. (My guess... based on
occupancy. :-) I'm sure half the people that storm Disney don't
even know the place exists...

They don't allow minors in Pleasure Island at night, do they?
(I don't know. I'm not a minor, and I haven't transported a
minor over state lines in years.) And I think there are places
on the Boardwalk you have to be an adult to get in. So I'm not
sure it's the only age discriminitory place on site.

Keane
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One of them is this, They have the power to make a wish come true...
- Wishes

Lee

2008-01-07 18:13:33 UTC

People aren't banned from V&A because they have kids.

Kids ARE people.

Except for the ones on your flight with dirty diapers, right? ;-)

Stinky people but still people :-)
I can certainly understand and may even be in favor of adult only
restaurants. What bothers me about this restaurant is that it's at WDW, one
of the ultimate FAMILY vacation spots. Lose your children, most likely the
reason(s) that they visited WDW in the first place, or you aren't welcome
here. It just doesn't ring right to me.

I suspect there are lots of WDW visitors like me who visit there
without kids. Disney has aimed a lot of their marketing towards the
child-free visitor, whether they be newlyweds, retirees, or other. We
(radp) have run into this same argument in the past, when discussing
PI. It's okay - really - to have areas at WDW that are not appropriate
for kids, and where kids are simply not welcome. A family could easily
avoid the non-kid-friendly spots, and the kids would never know.

Keane

2008-01-07 18:28:59 UTC

Post by Lee
I suspect there are lots of WDW visitors like me who visit there
without kids. Disney has aimed a lot of their marketing towards the
child-free visitor, whether they be newlyweds, retirees, or other. We
(radp) have run into this same argument in the past, when discussing
PI. It's okay - really - to have areas at WDW that are not appropriate
for kids, and where kids are simply not welcome. A family could easily
avoid the non-kid-friendly spots, and the kids would never know.

LOL. This is definately true. One of the vacation planners I have,
the DVD is marked "Post-Family" (I'm not sure if that means Disney
catagorizes me in the 'twilight years', or that I'm kidless, or both.)

Anyway, even the pictures in the accompanying propaganda are
of older people who have no kids. Very few kids are even shown
in any of the photos...

Ahhh, marketing guys. Sometimes they crack me up.

Keane
===
When stars are born, They possess a gift or two,
One of them is this, They have the power to make a wish come true...
- Wishes

Rudeney

2008-01-07 18:51:42 UTC

People aren't banned from V&A because they have kids.

Kids ARE people.

Except for the ones on your flight with dirty diapers, right? ;-)

Stinky people but still people :-)
I can certainly understand and may even be in favor of adult only
restaurants. What bothers me about this restaurant is that it's at WDW, one
of the ultimate FAMILY vacation spots. Lose your children, most likely the
reason(s) that they visited WDW in the first place, or you aren't welcome
here. It just doesn't ring right to me.

You are right that WDW is designed for and targeted to families, but
even the happiest of families in the most magical place on Earth can
still use a little "me" time. I have to applaud Disney for building
such a place. While 99% of WDW is designed for everyone, there are a
few special programs for children only, and a few services for adults
only like the spas. So there is no one restaurant where children under
10 are not welcome. I don't see it as a big deal. In fact, I'd bet
there are very few children under 10 who would really even *want* to eat
at V&A's in the first place.

I really see this as no different than what they offer on DCL. It is
most definitely targeted to families with children, yet they have
several areas that are adult-only and others that are children-only. No
one even gives it a second thought. Guests aboard the chip, adults and
children alike, seem to be quite happy with the arrangement.

--
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Darrell Jefress

2008-01-07 20:22:24 UTC

Ed, one thing to consider is that literally ten feet from the front door of
Viki & Al's is the door to Citrico's - another really nice place, a bit less
ritzy than V&A. Also with many more seats, and more flexible seating times.
And 100% welcoming to kids of any age.

Your objection seems to be over something that's a non-issue. Broadway
theaters don't allow kids under a certain age either - in the case of Viki &
Al's, it's a case of offering a particular experience to a particular
demographic, while still providing loads of alternatives.

Please tell me you aren't just cage-rattling again like you promised us a
few months ago.

DJJ

2008-01-07 21:07:18 UTC

Post by Darrell Jefress

Post by Ed
I can certainly understand and may even be in favor of adult only
restaurants. What bothers me about this restaurant is that it's at WDW,

one

Post by Ed
of the ultimate FAMILY vacation spots. Lose your children, most likely the
reason(s) that they visited WDW in the first place, or you aren't welcome
here. It just doesn't ring right to me.

Ed, one thing to consider is that literally ten feet from the front door of
Viki & Al's is the door to Citrico's - another really nice place, a bit less
ritzy than V&A. Also with many more seats, and more flexible seating times.
And 100% welcoming to kids of any age.
Your objection seems to be over something that's a non-issue. Broadway
theaters don't allow kids under a certain age either - in the case of Viki &
Al's, it's a case of offering a particular experience to a particular
demographic, while still providing loads of alternatives.
Please tell me you aren't just cage-rattling again like you promised us a
few months ago.
DJJ

Not me. I'm sincere about this but having never dined there I personally
have nothing to gain or lose whatever they do.
If I were one that enjoyed that restaurant but had kids under 10, I wouldn't
go. I would never ditch the kids to have a special experience in a
restaurant. Actually, my kids are now in their mid 30's and My son is the
most critical when it comes to eating out, I might ditch him if we did
visit.

Rudeney

2008-01-07 22:33:22 UTC

Post by Ed
Not me. I'm sincere about this but having never dined there I personally
have nothing to gain or lose whatever they do.
If I were one that enjoyed that restaurant but had kids under 10, I wouldn't
go. I would never ditch the kids to have a special experience in a
restaurant.

That's where we differ. I would (and did) ditch the kids for special
adult dining experiences. I've also ditched them for entire vacations.
While I put family above all else, I do not believe that family has to
revolve around the children.

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2008-01-07 23:21:19 UTC

Post by Ed
Not me. I'm sincere about this but having never dined there I personally
have nothing to gain or lose whatever they do.
If I were one that enjoyed that restaurant but had kids under 10, I
wouldn't go. I would never ditch the kids to have a special experience in
a restaurant.

That's where we differ. I would (and did) ditch the kids for special
adult dining experiences. I've also ditched them for entire vacations.

We have too, but that's different.

Post by Rudeney
While I put family above all else, I do not believe that family has to
revolve around the children.

Not even for the short time you're at DisneyWorld? When my kids were kids a
vacation usually lasted 8 nights.
Their hapiness on those trips was primary. We had 357 other nights each year
to get a sitter and enjoy a night out together.
Dedicating 8 nights to the family isn't really what I would consider having
our lives revolve around the kids.

Rudeney

2008-01-08 14:36:24 UTC

Post by Ed
Not me. I'm sincere about this but having never dined there I personally
have nothing to gain or lose whatever they do.
If I were one that enjoyed that restaurant but had kids under 10, I
wouldn't go. I would never ditch the kids to have a special experience in
a restaurant.

That's where we differ. I would (and did) ditch the kids for special
adult dining experiences. I've also ditched them for entire vacations.

We have too, but that's different.

Post by Rudeney
While I put family above all else, I do not believe that family has to
revolve around the children.

In our case, DD and now the granddaughter hit a certain age where they
like being away from the parents. Even if its in some sort of
supervised program, it makes them feel like they have something of their
own. So, yes, even on a week's vacation, we don't spend every moment
together. In fact, my wife and I might not even spend every moment
together. Sometimes she just wants a little time to herself to nap, go
to the spa, or enjoy sitting by the pool. I spend that time to do
things she doesn't care for, like the water parks. When we go to the
beach, she usually ends up staying in the condo reading while I take the
granddaughter to the beach or riding go-carts, etc. I see this as no
different than my wife and I enjoying a nice dinner one night without
children at WDW.

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Charlie Foxtrot

2008-01-09 08:28:47 UTC

Honestly, though, Ed, it's ONE restaurant in a 37 square mile resort
with over 100 places one can get a meal with their kids. Making the
one where people are guaranteed to be paying three-figures per diner
available only to those over ten isn't such a bad thing.

Honestly, if I paid to go to V&A with a date and had a table with two
bored, hungry (because they ARE NOT going to like the food) toddlers
next to me... Well, I'd probably turn into the violent thug Rodney
seems to think I am.

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Peppermint Patty

2008-01-07 23:13:18 UTC

Post by Ed
Kids ARE people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.

Sandi Femino

2008-01-06 15:11:03 UTC

Post by Patty Winter
Not to mention the cafe, the Garden View Lounge, Citrico's, Narcoosee's,
and the food court.
Guests with children are not going to starve if they can't go to V&A...

And if they really want to go, there is also child care at one of the
clubs as well as in-room babysitting.

--
Sandi

Brian

2008-01-07 03:46:09 UTC

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:11:03 -0500, Sandi Femino

Post by Sandi Femino
And if they really want to go, there is also child care at one of the
clubs as well as in-room babysitting.

Our daughter is an adult now but years ago we stayed at the Grand
Floridian and my wife and I went to V&A without our daughter. We
normally took her to fine restaurants and she was used to them but we
wanted a dinner for ourselves. It may well have been an anniversary
dinner.
We used the child care and it worked out well. It's a small restaurant
and although our daughter was used to fine dining and behaved well
under those circumstances, I don't have a problem with these
restrictions.

Judy

2008-01-05 23:29:13 UTC

I can't imagine any reason to take a child to V&A's. Here is a link to
the menu-
http://allearsnet.com/menu/menu_va.htm
There are plenty of places at the GF for kids to eat.
Judy

2008-01-05 23:42:02 UTC

I can't imagine any reason to take a child to V&A's. Here is a link to
the menu-

Because the parents want to go?

http://allearsnet.com/menu/menu_va.htm
There are plenty of places at the GF for kids to eat.
Judy

I like plain food myself but these sound pretty tasty:
Kurobuta Pork Tenderloin with Bamboo Rice Blend, Cilantro Sauce
Kansas City Angus Beef with Fingerling Potato Lyonnaise

P***@aol.com

2008-01-06 17:24:39 UTC

Post by Judy
I can't imagine any reason to take a child to V&A's.

2008-01-06 17:28:31 UTC

Post by Judy
I can't imagine any reason to take a child to V&A's.

I can't imagine taking them now, since they are not allowed, but there
are more than a few children who can sit quietly through a long meal
and enjoy well prepared complex dishes
(not including chicken fingers and pizza.)

If we're going to ban children under 10, I think airplanes are a
bigger issue.

I agree, I had a toddler in front of me that needed a diaper change once,
horrible flight. Keep them little stinkers off the planes.

Brian

2008-01-07 03:52:19 UTC

Post by Judy
I can't imagine any reason to take a child to V&A's.

I can't imagine taking them now, since they are not allowed, but there
are more than a few children who can sit quietly through a long meal
and enjoy well prepared complex dishes
(not including chicken fingers and pizza.)
If we're going to ban children under 10, I think airplanes are a
bigger issue.
I agree, I had a toddler in front of me that needed a diaper change once,
horrible flight. Keep them little stinkers off the planes.

This is a ridiculous comparison. Air travel now is a necessity for
many people. The original topic was about a small restaurant.

I'm not a big fan of brats whose parents refuse to discipline them, or
do it ineffectively without consequences, but not allowing kids on
planes is unrealistic.

FIZZIE

2008-01-07 04:04:46 UTC

Post by Brian

Post by Judy
I can't imagine any reason to take a child to V&A's.

I can't imagine taking them now, since they are not allowed, but there
are more than a few children who can sit quietly through a long meal
and enjoy well prepared complex dishes
(not including chicken fingers and pizza.)
If we're going to ban children under 10, I think airplanes are a
bigger issue.
I agree, I had a toddler in front of me that needed a diaper change once,
horrible flight. Keep them little stinkers off the planes.

This is a ridiculous comparison. Air travel now is a necessity for
many people. The original topic was about a small restaurant.
I'm not a big fan of brats whose parents refuse to discipline them, or
do it ineffectively without consequences, but not allowing kids on
planes is unrealistic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Regarding the V&A issue: I agree that not all experiences in life are
appropriate or necessary to a complete and happy childhood. I am 100%
in agreement.

Regarding air travel: How about a family section where we can keep
all the little darlings confined to one spot, preferably with a leash
and muzzle.

-Fizzie

k***@tanstaafl.uchicago.edu

2008-01-07 09:52:37 UTC

Post by Ed
I agree, I had a toddler in front of me that needed a diaper change once,
horrible flight. Keep them little stinkers off the planes.

Think overhead stowage bin...

(Oh good grief, people, it was a joke. Lighten up...)

Keane

Judy

2008-01-06 21:28:43 UTC

Post by Judy
I can't imagine any reason to take a child to V&A's.

Would you be willing to pay the regular adult dinner price for a child
to eat there, regardless of whether they are polite and can sit
quietly for a long time? They don't have a children's menu.

P***@aol.com

2008-01-07 12:54:00 UTC

Post by Judy
Would you be willing to pay the regular adult dinner price for a child
to eat there, regardless of whether they are polite and can sit
quietly for a long time? They don't have a children's menu.

I am not willing to spend it on myself, so the answer would be no.

I do think there are children who can be quiet and enjoy food like
this though, and not be clench-mouthed clamouring for chicken strips
and coke.

GrumpyOne

2008-01-07 13:35:26 UTC

I am not willing to spend it on myself, so the answer would be no.
I do think there are children who can be quiet and enjoy food like
this though, and not be clench-mouthed clamouring for chicken strips
and coke.

There are some. The problem is that some parents think that nothing their
little darling does is wrong, and they take them to V & A's and spoil
another couples $250 worth of meal. That's not fair. (And I'm a Mom of one
of those who could sit through said meal, but I'm not in the least offended
by the restriction.)

Kathy M.

Charlie Foxtrot

2008-01-09 08:38:06 UTC

Post by GrumpyOne

I am not willing to spend it on myself, so the answer would be no.
I do think there are children who can be quiet and enjoy food like
this though, and not be clench-mouthed clamouring for chicken strips
and coke.

My boy's favorite time of year at Epcot is Food and Wine Festival. He
looks forward to his several serviings of escargot and trying new and
interesting foods - and he's liked most everything he's tried except
raw sushi. The shrimp and crab sushi, which is cooked, he loves.

He is two years older than the cut-off for kids at V&A and I'd never
dream of taking him there. Not that I don't think he'd like the food,
I fear him getting bored with the formal process of dining there.

Much like as much as he's loved everything he's had at Wolfgang Puck
Express, I'd never take him inside (which I wish more parents would
do... Talk about killing the ambiance of what would be a top-tier
restaurant ANYWHERE else in the world) and I'd be even less likely to
take him to the upstairs dining room.

Foxtrot

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Lee

2008-01-07 14:21:47 UTC

Sure. In my opinion, children's menus are an abomination, and should
be eliminated. Are there ever any healthy or well balanced options?
Instead, restaurants could try offering half-portions of the regular
menu. I really don't get kid's eating habits these days. Growing up,
we ate what was served, or didn't eat. There was no place for
pickiness or specially prepared "kid" food in my house. We ate at fine
restaurants, and ordered off the regular menu.

Judy

2008-01-07 18:38:42 UTC

My point was would you want to spend $125.00 on a meal for a child?
Not the presence or lack of a children's menu. If you want to take
your 10 year old to V& A's at $125.00 a pop- more power to you. i
guess you've got more money to spend than me.

Lee

2008-01-07 19:08:19 UTC

Post by Judy

Yup. I'd pay that price for my child. And, for $125, they best not
present a kids menu - they'll eat the good stuff, thanks very much.

As a kid, my folks used to bring my sisters and me to some pretty darn
exclusive and fancy restaurants. This wasn't something that happened
often, but from time to time, for very special occasions. I remember
one meal at The Four Seasons in NYC. We could order whatever we
wanted, except for the caviar appy - if I remember, it was $60 back
then. Dad drew the line at that one. Other than that, we were free to
order whatever we wanted - and from the grown-up menu!!!

It's not about whether or not I have more money to spend on
restaurants. It's about exposing kids to fine dining. I'd be hard
pressed to come up with a dollar amount that I'd be unwilling to spend
on my child, for a special meal. It's kind of like you're saying, "my
kid is worth $20 a meal, but not $50? Or $100?". I mean, how do you
come up with that number and where does your kid become not worth the
expense?

In my family, it just wouldn't fly, that mom & dad would eat well,
while the kids made do with the food court. Now, specifically, at WDW,
I really don't see any reason to bring a child to V&As, when there are
so many other venues that offer a fine dining experience. But, if V&As
and a food court, with only chicken fingers or pizza as choices, were
my only two restaurant options, we'd be eating at V&As.

As much as I love kids being exposed to other than typical kid fare, I
have no problem with the V&As age restriction policy. It's one
restaurant out of many WDW options.

Brian

2008-01-07 23:59:07 UTC

Post by Lee
In my family, it just wouldn't fly, that mom & dad would eat well,
while the kids made do with the food court.

Why wouldn't it?

We've enjoyed out daughter's company and have traveled a lot with her
but ultimately we are the parents and if there's a decision to be
made, we made it. Her input was considered but the decision would be
ours.

And as I said before, she grew up being used to upscale restaurants
and enjoying them but this would be a place that the kids would enjoy
the food court more.

Lee

2008-01-08 14:12:05 UTC

Post by Brian

Post by Lee
In my family, it just wouldn't fly, that mom & dad would eat well,
while the kids made do with the food court.

I meant in my family growing up. My parents wouldn't have gone for
letting us eat cheap crap while they dined on gourmet fare. Had
nothing to do with the children's wants or wishes. The decisions were
always made by my parents. Not even sure my input was considered. It
was never open for discussion.

Patty Winter

2008-01-08 00:21:22 UTC

[previous quotage snipped]
In my family, it just wouldn't fly, that mom & dad would eat well,
while the kids made do with the food court.

You never get time to yourselves on vacation, just the two of you,
a nice relaxing adults-only dinner?

Patty

Lee

2008-01-08 14:14:54 UTC

Post by Patty Winter

[previous quotage snipped]
In my family, it just wouldn't fly, that mom & dad would eat well,
while the kids made do with the food court.

You never get time to yourselves on vacation, just the two of you,
a nice relaxing adults-only dinner?

My husband and I have no kids. But, if we did, and wanted vacation
time, just the two of us, then we'd vacation without our children. If
the vacation we're on includes the kids, then it includes the kids -
meals and everything. No question, moms and dads need couple time,
away from their kids. But, I don't think, on a vacation like a Disney
vacation, parents have to go out of their way to exclude their kids,
when there are so many kid-friendly options available.

Post by Patty Winter
Patty

Charlie Foxtrot

2008-01-09 08:41:16 UTC

Post by Lee
My husband and I have no kids. But, if we did, and wanted vacation
time, just the two of us, then we'd vacation without our children. If
the vacation we're on includes the kids, then it includes the kids -
meals and everything. No question, moms and dads need couple time,
away from their kids. But, I don't think, on a vacation like a Disney
vacation, parents have to go out of their way to exclude their kids,
when there are so many kid-friendly options available.

As someone who was once a kid, I have to say that I'd have gone crazy
if I had ever gone on a vacation with my parents where I was with them
24 hours a day. I most looked forward to the points where they did
their thing and I did mine... Especially at WDW.

Foxtrot

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Doc

2008-01-06 05:33:05 UTC

Sounds like a good idea. Ever had a squalling baby, shrieking or
repetitively babbling toddler sitting near you? Had some hyperactive
kids running around pestering you? It's one thing if you've got your
own with you and are just one of the crowd, but I assume they're
basing this on past guest feedback - like "we're paying this much to
listen to someone's noisy brat?!"

Obviously they feel they'll gain more business from people who would
prefer not to have to deal with the issues young children bring than
they'll lose due to people being put off by the policy.

Ten seems like a more than liberal cutoff age.

Lee

2008-01-07 14:45:39 UTC

Post by Doc
Obviously they feel they'll gain more business from people who would
prefer not to have to deal with the issues young children bring than
they'll lose due to people being put off by the policy.

Even before this new age restriction, V&As really only appealed to a
very narrow sampling of typical WDW visitors. I'm curious to know how
may kids under the age of 10 actually dined there. I suspect the
number is pretty darn small.

2008-01-07 15:18:34 UTC

Me too, or they wouldn't ban them.

Darrell Jefress

2008-01-07 20:27:31 UTC

Post by Lee
Even before this new age restriction, V&As really only appealed to a
very narrow sampling of typical WDW visitors. I'm curious to know how
may kids under the age of 10 actually dined there. I suspect the
number is pretty darn small.

One article this morning actually gave some data on this. According to
management at V&A, they see about three young kids a month - less than one a
week.

That issue is that for a room full of those who might find their evening of
fine dining, maybe anticipated for months, disrupted by an undisciplined kid
or an infant, all the other evenings in which there was no problem will be
of little comfort to them.

DJJ

Charlie Foxtrot

2008-01-09 08:46:59 UTC

Actually, what I'd like to know is how many people that V&A should NOT
have appealed to went there BECAUSE it was at WDW and found it to be
awful?

Granted, those who appreciate it would be appalled at anyone
suggesting it was awful but there are many people who see fine dining
as a total waste of money and do not appreciate the quality and
presentation of food at such venues.

My friend, Roy, has an income that makes me look like a pauper and his
idea of "good eating" is steak and potatoes and the less it costs the
better. He sees no difference in a steak from a sports bar and a
steak from The Palm. God forbid he pay the prices at some place like
Bern's Steakhouse in Tampa.

Start laying out food that once swam or is prepared "with stuff on it"
and he's not a happy man at all.

So that's what I wonder. How many people that just don't have the
pallet for it have gone to V&A and decided they were "ripped off"?

Foxtrot

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k***@tanstaafl.uchicago.edu

2008-01-06 12:45:14 UTC

Then it's obvious you've never been to V&A's...

No chicken fingers, no kids. (Though you can probably *get* chicken
fingers there, and I'll bet they taste amazing...)

Anyway, when I ate at Citricos last October, V&A's door would
magically open for guests dining there. I never saw it open in
error; if the door opened, a guest and his/her party would walk
in. (Yes, a CM was at the door, but he had a magical sense of
who was walking into V&A's, and who was walking into Citricos...

Keane
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One of them is this, They have the power to make a wish come true... -
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Paragon

2008-01-06 22:11:20 UTC

Post by k***@tanstaafl.uchicago.edu

Then it's obvious you've never been to V&A's...
No chicken fingers, no kids. (Though you can probably *get* chicken
fingers there, and I'll bet they taste amazing...)
Anyway, when I ate at Citricos last October, V&A's door would
magically open for guests dining there. I never saw it open in
error; if the door opened, a guest and his/her party would walk
in. (Yes, a CM was at the door, but he had a magical sense of
who was walking into V&A's, and who was walking into Citricos...
Keane

I think the dress code might have tipped off the CM.

k***@tanstaafl.uchicago.edu

2008-01-07 09:50:07 UTC

Post by k***@tanstaafl.uchicago.edu
Anyway, when I ate at Citricos last October, V&A's door would
magically open for guests dining there. I never saw it open in
error; if the door opened, a guest and his/her party would walk
in. (Yes, a CM was at the door, but he had a magical sense of
who was walking into V&A's, and who was walking into Citricos...
Keane

I think the dress code might have tipped off the CM.

Could be, but there were even suits going into Citrico's,
but the door didn't magically open for them.

(Heck, even *I* was dressed better than the slob I
usually am... :-)

Keane
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- Wishes

Paragon

2008-01-07 11:05:00 UTC

Post by k***@tanstaafl.uchicago.edu

I think the dress code might have tipped off the CM.

Could be, but there were even suits going into Citrico's,
but the door didn't magically open for them.
(Heck, even *I* was dressed better than the slob I
usually am... :-)

They were all given little metal strips to set off the detectors that were
cleverly hidden in the walls. It's Disney Magic you know!

Keane

2008-01-07 11:19:43 UTC

Post by k***@tanstaafl.uchicago.edu

I think the dress code might have tipped off the CM.

Could be, but there were even suits going into Citrico's,
but the door didn't magically open for them.
(Heck, even *I* was dressed better than the slob I
usually am... :-)

They were all given little metal strips to set off the detectors that were
cleverly hidden in the walls. It's Disney Magic you know!

I'd buy that! :-)

You know, RFID has matured to the point that it might actually
behoove disney to take advantage of that. They couldn't plant
them into paper tickets, but maybe a keychain, or something
similar...

(And then watch all the privacy nuts go insane!)

Keane
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Michael Meissner

2008-01-07 14:34:03 UTC

Post by Keane
You know, RFID has matured to the point that it might actually
behoove disney to take advantage of that. They couldn't plant
them into paper tickets, but maybe a keychain, or something
similar...

I would imagine most people that eat at V&A have either a resort pass or a park
pass on their persons. It would be a simple thing to start adding RFID chips
to these media, and use a database of reservations.

In terms of RFIDs, I was glad to get my passport a few months before the USA
started embedding them. I wonder if 'American' detectors to read these have
started showing up.

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Rudeney

2008-01-07 16:45:00 UTC

Post by Michael Meissner

I would have no problems with Disney using a short-range RFID chip
embedded in its resort keys and park passes it it made it easier for
guests. For example, instead of having to insert your card into a slot
for the mag stripe reader to grant park admission or FP's, it would save
a lot of time and trouble if all you had to do was tap it on a sensor.
Case in point, remember the days when the FP machines would only read
passes inserted in one orientation? What a pain that was! It seems
that 1 in 5 guests at the turnstiles still have problems understanding
how to insert their passes.

What I would not want to see is any sort of long-range RFID that carried
more information that Disney's internal serial number. If Disney wants
to know who and where I am based on when I tap my card, that's fine. I
don't want anyone else to be able to get that information.

Post by Michael Meissner
In terms of RFIDs, I was glad to get my passport a few months before the USA
started embedding them. I wonder if 'American' detectors to read these have
started showing up.

My renewed passport and my wife's new passport both have the RFID chips.
I am think I remember that they "tapped" them on the RFID sensor at
the Port of Miami on our cruise back in October.

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Peppermint Patty

2008-01-07 14:43:44 UTC

With dinner starting at $125 a person, I can't imagine many people
would want to bring their kids here. And if I was spending at least
$125 for my dinner, I sure wouldn't want some screaming kid ruining it
for me! It's bad enough when it happens when you're paying $50 for
the meal!!!!

2008-01-07 15:22:10 UTC

Post by Peppermint Patty
With dinner starting at $125 a person, I can't imagine many people
would want to bring their kids here. And if I was spending at least
$125 for my dinner, I sure wouldn't want some screaming kid ruining it
for me! It's bad enough when it happens when you're paying $50 for
the meal!!!!

It's the same isn't it? It doesn't matter what the cost is. Crying and
screaming children can ruin a visit to McDonalds. Of course, it's easier to
pack up and move at McDonalds.

Rob

2008-01-07 15:39:26 UTC

I dont have a problem with not allowing kids at V&A, but I gotta say,
it doesn't bother me when kids carry on or cry (or whatever the case
may be) in a restaurant. We went out to eat Friday night and there was
a young couple with a crying baby, one parent would keep taking the
baby out of the room while the other would stay at the table with the
toddler. They did get a couple of "hairy eyeballs" from some of the
other guest, but I could care less. Now the movie theater is another
story!!
oh, and dont sit behind me on a plane if your gonna kick my seat

and I agree, adult only sections in the restaurants would be a good
idea for alot of folks

~R

Paul Schnebelen

2008-01-06 00:44:28 UTC

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

Interesting. Having been to V&A, I can't imagine why anyone would want to
bring children that young to eat there anyway - because of the sheer expense
(IIRC, it's about $75 a person), because the food selection doesn't feature
much that'd appeal to young kids, and because unless your kids are the kind
that can sit quietly at a table for an extended period, neither they or your
fellow diners are going to be very happy while they're there.

If I had kids, I'd be more inclined to leave them with a sitter or at one of
the childrens' clubs rather than bring them with me to V&A. From what I
remember of the clientele when I went, I think most folks who were at about
the right age to have small children and were dining there must have been
doing that, because there weren't a lot of kids (actually, I don't remember
any).

My guess would be that a few diners brought young children that couldn't sit
quietly and other guests complained about their meals being interrupted
(and believe me, if you paid as much money as you do at V&A and you had your
meal interrupted, you'd complain!). Disney's probably more concerned about
keeping most of their diners happy than upsetting the few people who'd
consider bringing young children to V&A.

--
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Barry L. Wallis

2008-01-06 01:00:44 UTC

Post by Paul Schnebelen

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

[...]

Post by Paul Schnebelen
My guess would be that a few diners brought young children that couldn't sit
quietly and other guests complained about their meals being interrupted
(and believe me, if you paid as much money as you do at V&A and you had your
meal interrupted, you'd complain!). Disney's probably more concerned about
keeping most of their diners happy than upsetting the few people who'd
consider bringing young children to V&A.

We've eaten at V&A's every time we've gone to WDW (except for the first
time we went when the GF was being built). The few times we've seen
children there they had perfect table manners and seemed to like the
food. However, I don't see an issue with this policy.

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Denise

2008-01-06 04:58:14 UTC

I think it's a good policy. There are a couple of restaurants that I
think would be fine child-free.

Denise
www.mousesteps.com

2008-01-06 08:37:13 UTC

Post by Denise
I think it's a good policy. There are a couple of restaurants that I
think would be fine child-free.

I've had experiences in restaurants before where kids just ruined the meal.
Parents know their children and I don't think they should bring their kids
to any restaurant if there is a high probability that they will be
disruptive, but they do. I'm not saying that 'no kids allowed' is a bad
idea but I'm not sure I can agree that it's a good policy.

Sandi Femino

2008-01-06 15:13:20 UTC

Post by Paul Schnebelen
unless your kids are the kind
that can sit quietly at a table for an extended period, neither they or your
fellow diners are going to be very happy while they're there.

I am VERY pro-child and that would be my main reason for not bringing my
child to V&A. I just don't see a case where it would be fun for a child
under 10, even if they were willing and able to sit for that long.

--
Sandi

elinden111

2008-01-06 01:07:08 UTC

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

In reality it’s surprising that anyone would bring children of any age to
V&A's, given the typical menu, cost, etc. The fact that they had to put in
effect
a mandate, means people were, and it was ruining the experience for other
diners. I would think most of those who did bring kids, did not fully
understand the type of experience V&A offers. It's probably common sense to
most. I'm sure people will focus purely on the fact that WDW put this in
writing as an official policy, rather than the reasoning behind it. My wife
and I had a wonderful dinner there in April of last year, and I have to tell
you, for what we paid for the experience we received (about $400), (and for
the
experience we expected and absolutely received), had kids been there, we
would have been highly disappointed. If kids can have dinner there and
conduct themselves accordingly (and even more surprising, like the food),
I'm sure no one would have an issue.

Bare in mind that the food listed by a previous poster
is a representative offering. The menu changes often,
and those selections listed are only of the main meat course. Only
one of those would be offered any given evening. The dinner is 7 courses,
optionally each with a wine pairing. I had sweetbreads, foi grois,
Buffalo, and Kobe beef tenderloin. The portions are very small tapas
servings, and the service is extremely personal and attentive, with each
diner's menu being personally crafted at the table by your server. There
is a maximum diner capacity of about 25 guests per seating, with a very
intimate atmosphere. Even the dress code is very specific.
The typical dining experience lasts about 3 hours.
The typical Disney restaurant this isn't, it was built for a reason.
This is why the GF offers several other family-friendly options.

figment1986

2008-01-06 08:08:02 UTC

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. (AP) -- Children are no longer welcome at Walt
Disney World's swankiest restaurant.
Victoria and Albert's in the Grand Floridian Resort and Spa says children
under ten years old are no longer welcome.
The restaurant's general manager says based on research and feedback, it
was the right move to make for a better dining experience for adults.
Victoria and Albert's has won AAA's prestigious five-diamond rating. But
its new policy is still a rarity in the restaurant business.

Nice how this came from CBS... wonder how the story was presented.
must have been real slow. (I rarely watch news except at night
anymore)

I agree, this resturant is high class and should only be tween plus...
though 16+ would be nicer (first and only time i went to Berns
Steakhouse I was 16.)

Kids are better suited where they can find stuff they will be
guaranteed to enjoy, and if your staying on resort maybe take up the
baby sitter service many of the resorts offer for the evening and
enjoy a more secluded dinner away from the children.

Derek Janssen

2008-01-06 08:18:33 UTC

Post by figment1986

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

Nice how this came from CBS... wonder how the story was presented.

Um, probably like every other story the LOCAL TAMPA BAY STATION 6PM
NEWSCAST reports regarding Mouse neighbors... ;)

Derek Janssen
***@verizon.net

figment1986

2008-01-06 09:01:35 UTC

Post by Derek Janssen

Post by figment1986

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

Nice how this came from CBS... wonder how the story was presented.

Um, probably like every other story the LOCAL TAMPA BAY STATION 6PM
NEWSCAST reports regarding Mouse neighbors... ;)
Derek Janssen

Thats when they do those stories?? I remember when fox did the wand
coming down (with b-roll from 1982 - 1998 mixed with current b-roll
1999 - 2007) but i dont feel like watching the 5, 5:30, 6, or even
6:30 news casts because of the way news is presented then at times...
then again i am a RTV (Radio Television) student figuring out what
they did and how i could do it. Though it seems CBS doesn't report on
the mouse as much as WTVT Fox13 does.

Bumper

2008-01-06 21:14:37 UTC

Post by figment1986

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

Nice how this came from CBS... wonder how the story was presented.
must have been real slow. (I rarely watch news except at night
anymore)
I agree, this resturant is high class and should only be tween plus...
though 16+ would be nicer (first and only time i went to Berns
Steakhouse I was 16.)
Kids are better suited where they can find stuff they will be
guaranteed to enjoy, and if your staying on resort maybe take up the
baby sitter service many of the resorts offer for the evening and
enjoy a more secluded dinner away from the children.

My choice of the CBS link provided was simply because in going down
Googles's list CBS has the most concise story. At the time there were
about 20 other links to the news. By now there are probably hundreds. It
is interesting how those of us who actually go to WDW (and can at times
be the harshest critics of Disney) are in agreement with the decision,
but I get the feeling that some news services are trying to spin this as
a bad thing.

Sandi Femino

2008-01-06 21:37:05 UTC

Post by Bumper
My choice of the CBS link provided was simply because in going down
Googles's list CBS has the most concise story. At the time there were
about 20 other links to the news. By now there are probably hundreds. It
is interesting how those of us who actually go to WDW (and can at times
be the harshest critics of Disney) are in agreement with the decision,
but I get the feeling that some news services are trying to spin this as
a bad thing.

Sure, spin the whole "Disney is for kids" thing?

I would not mind at all seeing a few other dining venues follow suit, or
perhaps with a time thing, like after 8 or 9 pm. That would let
families with children visit earlier and still accommodate adults who
would prefer a childless experience.

Maybe this is a test balloon on Dis's part?

--
Sandi

Lisa Cubbon

2008-01-06 21:43:05 UTC

Once we were having dinner on our anniversary at CG and we were blessed
with being
sat in the Wine Room. No kids allowed. The next time we were in the
general dining room
with a table next to a window looking towards the MK. I would take the
Wine Room
any day. Lisa

Sure, spin the whole "Disney is for kids" thing?
I would not mind at all seeing a few other dining venues follow suit, or
perhaps with a time thing, like after 8 or 9 pm. That would let
families with children visit earlier and still accommodate adults who
would prefer a childless experience.
Maybe this is a test balloon on Dis's part?

Denise

2008-01-07 04:20:58 UTC

Post by Lisa Cubbon
Once we were having dinner on our anniversary at CG and we were blessed
with being
sat in the Wine Room.

I didn't know the CA Grill had a wine room.

Denise
www.mousesteps.com

Lisa Cubbon

2008-01-07 12:25:57 UTC

That's what they called it. It's around to the left past the bar, small
room facing
away from the MK. Lisa

Post by Denise

Post by Lisa Cubbon
Once we were having dinner on our anniversary at CG and we were
blessed with being
sat in the Wine Room.

I didn't know the CA Grill had a wine room.
Denise
www.mousesteps.com

Sandi Femino

2008-01-07 15:09:45 UTC

Dh and I ate there last Dec. but there WERE children, in fact 2 parties
of children.

Sandi

Post by Lisa Cubbon
That's what they called it. It's around to the left past the bar, small
room facing
away from the MK. Lisa

Post by Denise

Post by Lisa Cubbon
Once we were having dinner on our anniversary at CG and we were
blessed with being
sat in the Wine Room.

I didn't know the CA Grill had a wine room.
Denise
www.mousesteps.com

--
Sandi

EllenGee61

2008-01-07 19:55:34 UTC

Post by Denise
I didn't know the CA Grill had a wine room.
Denise
www.mousesteps.com

Neither did I! Maybe I'll try to request that next time! How big is the
room? How many tables? And of course, the option to get up and go watch
the fireworks from the balcony is always there, so it sounds win-win to me!
Although, I've brought my kids (14 & 19) to the CG, it's not a problem with
them.
Ellen :)

Lisa Cubbon

2008-01-07 20:39:57 UTC

As I remember the room, it was small, maybe 6 four tops. away from the
noise too.
Lisa

Post by EllenGee61

Post by Denise
I didn't know the CA Grill had a wine room.
Denise
www.mousesteps.com

P***@aol.com

2008-01-07 12:58:06 UTC

Post by Lisa Cubbon
Once we were having dinner on our anniversary at CG and we were blessed
with being
sat in the Wine Room. No kids allowed. The next time we were in the
general dining room
with a table next to a window looking towards the MK. I would take the
Wine Room
any day. �

The times I've eaten at California Grill with small children we were
seated IN the wine room.
It's got a great view of the other side of the World.

Lisa Cubbon

2008-01-07 13:20:32 UTC

Oh well. Lisa

The times I've eaten at California Grill with small children we were
seated IN the wine room.
It's got a great view of the other side of the World.

Petrea Mitchell

2008-01-07 03:51:55 UTC

At Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:37:05 -0500,

A little while ago, the AP version was in the top 5 most popular stories
on Yahoo! News.

Post by Sandi Femino
I would not mind at all seeing a few other dining venues follow suit, or
perhaps with a time thing, like after 8 or 9 pm. That would let
families with children visit earlier and still accommodate adults who
would prefer a childless experience.

What I'd like to see is a few restaurants with a permanent no-kids section,
since there are adults who eat early and families who want to eat at 8 or
9 pm.

With WDW advertising itself as a destination for couples too, you'd think
they would have already done something like this.

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isn't worth doing." ---James Nicoll

Doc

2008-01-06 08:34:29 UTC

However, seems like it would be impossible to enforce strictly. Kids
don't carry ID. Obviously if they're in diapers and need a high chair
they won't pass, but how are you going to prove they're 8 and not 10?
Maybe they set it at 10 to mostly keep out babies and toddlers.

Dollywood Hillery

2008-01-07 03:00:44 UTC

I'm sure someone else will answer this, but 10 is the child age at Disney.
Eleven year olds pay adult admission and pay the adult price at the buffets.
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Why is the rum always gone?

Post by Doc
However, seems like it would be impossible to enforce strictly. Kids
don't carry ID. Obviously if they're in diapers and need a high chair
they won't pass, but how are you going to prove they're 8 and not 10?
Maybe they set it at 10 to mostly keep out babies and toddlers.

Mike Tuchman

2008-01-07 04:44:14 UTC

If the people are on any sort of Disney package that includes room and
tickets, the birth dates for all children are requested. This way any
child under age ten is issued a children's ticket, and there is then a
record in Disney's Reservations and ticketing systems of the child's
age.

So if the people are on a package and have lied to get an Age 3-9
ticket for their child, they are out of luck.

And most people who go to V&A are either people staying on property,
usually with a package or AP's, or locals.

mike at tuchman dot org

TRTRTR

2008-01-06 13:18:21 UTC

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080105/ap_on_fe_st/odd_restaurant_no_children

TRTRTR

2008-01-06 16:50:50 UTC

not to be a grinch,
but I ( and I think we all have had )
dinners, events, weddings, or even funerals disrupted by babies/young
children.
I can't even begin to tell you how many much anticipated,
planned for a year, $30,000 weddings and sacred vows how been ruined
by just 1 baby crying and/or kid running around during the ceremony.
that said, if I'm paying $ 125 ( $ 175 after drinks and tip and tax )
Per Person...
then the kids rights end, where My rights begin.
And, there are Countless other food locations just minutes away

2008-01-06 17:26:21 UTC

Post by TRTRTR
not to be a grinch,
but I ( and I think we all have had )
dinners, events, weddings, or even funerals disrupted by babies/young
children.
I can't even begin to tell you how many much anticipated,
planned for a year, $30,000 weddings and sacred vows how been ruined
by just 1 baby crying and/or kid running around during the ceremony.
that said, if I'm paying $ 125 ( $ 175 after drinks and tip and tax )
Per Person...
then the kids rights end, where My rights begin.
And, there are Countless other food locations just minutes away

Cigarettes, alcoholic beverages, kids, cigars, just keep them out of all
places were the largest group gathered may be adult.
Babies and cigarettes both smell bad, babies don't always smell bad but when
they do......whew.
Alcohol can also ruin a wedding or a dinner. And those people that drive
with a cell phone to their ear should get a $500 automatic fine and after
the third time lose their license for 12 months. So many things to complain
about.

Denise

2008-01-07 04:19:09 UTC

Post by TRTRTR
I can't even begin to tell you how many much anticipated,
planned for a year, $30,000 weddings and sacred vows how been ruined
by just 1 baby crying and/or kid running around during the ceremony.

IMHO - if it's that important as far as vows (to not have kids), they
shouldn't be invited. For me, weddings are more fun with them than
without. But not everyone feels that way.

Denise
www.mousesteps.com

EllenGee61

2008-01-06 18:48:47 UTC

Just read thru the thread and am amazed...everyone is in agreement!!!!! I
think this may be a first for RADP! Please correct me if I'm wrong. Oh,
and just for the record, I totally agree with the restaurant going this way.
I really feel for restaurant staff when they have to serve meals with kids
running around while they are carrying trays of food. Never quite
understood parents who allow this! As the mother of 2 teens, mine knew
their place when in a restaurant, no matter how squirmy they might have
been. If that was an issue, we removed them from the situation. I've never
been to V&A, but would love to try it sometime. Wouldn't mind the CG doing
this maybe once a week for an adults only evening!
JMHO
Ellen :)

B***@msn.com

2008-01-06 19:15:42 UTC

Post by EllenGee61
Just read thru the thread and am amazed...everyone is in agreement!!!!! I
think this may be a first for RADP! Please correct me if I'm wrong. Oh,
and just for the record, I totally agree with the restaurant going this way.
I really feel for restaurant staff when they have to serve meals with kids
running around while they are carrying trays of food. Never quite
understood parents who allow this! As the mother of 2 teens, mine knew
their place when in a restaurant, no matter how squirmy they might have
been. If that was an issue, we removed them from the situation. I've never
been to V&A, but would love to try it sometime. Wouldn't mind the CG doing
this maybe once a week for an adults only evening!
JMHO
Ellen :)

Ok, I am disagreeing. First all the restaurants in my area banned
veal, said it was cruel. Then it was goose liver (foie gras?) saying
it was inhuman. Now they are not serving children in the most hoity-
toity place in WDW? Johnathan Swift is rolling in his grave! It is the
right of the rich to be served children.

For those who can not go without serving children I have included a
recipe that is a holiday favorite with my family and will soon be one
with yours.

Roast Child with Cornbread Stuffing

Turkey may be substituted for this classic holiday feast.
Although time consuming, this dish seems to take longer than it
actually does;
as the entire house is filled with such a heavenly aroma,
the waiting becomes almost unbearable.

1 whole child, cleaned and de-headed
1 batch cornbread stuffing (see index)
1/2 cup melted butter

Remove the giblets from the infant and set aside.
Stuff the cavity where the child's genitals and anus were located
using 1/2 cup per pound of meat.
Tie the arms flat to the body, then pull the skin flaps up to close
the cavity.
Now tie the thighs up tight to hold it all together.
Place breast side up in a large metal roasting pan.
Bake in 325° oven covered for 2 hours.
Remove cover, stick a cooking thermometer deep into one of the
baby's buttocks and cook uncovered till thermometer reads 190°,
about another hour.

elinden111

2008-01-06 21:00:26 UTC

Post by B***@msn.com

Post by EllenGee61
Just read thru the thread and am amazed...everyone is in agreement!!!!!
I
think this may be a first for RADP! Please correct me if I'm wrong. Oh,
and just for the record, I totally agree with the restaurant going this way.
I really feel for restaurant staff when they have to serve meals with kids
running around while they are carrying trays of food. Never quite
understood parents who allow this! As the mother of 2 teens, mine knew
their place when in a restaurant, no matter how squirmy they might have
been. If that was an issue, we removed them from the situation. I've never
been to V&A, but would love to try it sometime. Wouldn't mind the CG doing
this maybe once a week for an adults only evening!
JMHO
Ellen :)

Ok, I am disagreeing. First all the restaurants in my area banned
veal, said it was cruel. Then it was goose liver (foie gras?) saying
it was inhuman. Now they are not serving children in the most hoity-
toity place in WDW? Johnathan Swift is rolling in his grave! It is the
right of the rich to be served children.
For those who can not go without serving children I have included a
recipe that is a holiday favorite with my family and will soon be one
with yours.
Roast Child with Cornbread Stuffing
Turkey may be substituted for this classic holiday feast.
Although time consuming, this dish seems to take longer than it
actually does;
as the entire house is filled with such a heavenly aroma,
the waiting becomes almost unbearable.
1 whole child, cleaned and de-headed
1 batch cornbread stuffing (see index)
1/2 cup melted butter
Remove the giblets from the infant and set aside.
Stuff the cavity where the child's genitals and anus were located
using 1/2 cup per pound of meat.
Tie the arms flat to the body, then pull the skin flaps up to close
the cavity.
Now tie the thighs up tight to hold it all together.
Place breast side up in a large metal roasting pan.
Bake in 325° oven covered for 2 hours.
Remove cover, stick a cooking thermometer deep into one of the
baby's buttocks and cook uncovered till thermometer reads 190°,
about another hour.

Uhmm, you're sick.

Lisa Cubbon

2008-01-06 21:06:49 UTC

I am hoping it was a joke. Not a good one either. BTW, I can't see
bringing an under
10 kid to V&A. We have been twice with adults and loved it.
Lisa

Post by elinden111

Post by B***@msn.com

Post by EllenGee61
Just read thru the thread and am amazed...everyone is in
agreement!!!!! I
think this may be a first for RADP! Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh,
and just for the record, I totally agree with the restaurant going this way.
I really feel for restaurant staff when they have to serve meals with kids
running around while they are carrying trays of food. Never quite
understood parents who allow this! As the mother of 2 teens, mine knew
their place when in a restaurant, no matter how squirmy they might have
been. If that was an issue, we removed them from the situation.
I've never
been to V&A, but would love to try it sometime. Wouldn't mind the CG doing
this maybe once a week for an adults only evening!
JMHO
Ellen :)

Ok, I am disagreeing. First all the restaurants in my area banned
veal, said it was cruel. Then it was goose liver (foie gras?) saying
it was inhuman. Now they are not serving children in the most hoity-
toity place in WDW? Johnathan Swift is rolling in his grave! It is the
right of the rich to be served children.
For those who can not go without serving children I have included a
recipe that is a holiday favorite with my family and will soon be one
with yours.
Roast Child with Cornbread Stuffing
Turkey may be substituted for this classic holiday feast.
Although time consuming, this dish seems to take longer than it
actually does;
as the entire house is filled with such a heavenly aroma,
the waiting becomes almost unbearable.
1 whole child, cleaned and de-headed
1 batch cornbread stuffing (see index)
1/2 cup melted butter
Remove the giblets from the infant and set aside.
Stuff the cavity where the child's genitals and anus were located
using 1/2 cup per pound of meat.
Tie the arms flat to the body, then pull the skin flaps up to close
the cavity.
Now tie the thighs up tight to hold it all together.
Place breast side up in a large metal roasting pan.
Bake in 325° oven covered for 2 hours.
Remove cover, stick a cooking thermometer deep into one of the
baby's buttocks and cook uncovered till thermometer reads 190°,
about another hour.

Uhmm, you're sick.

disneyfannyc

2008-01-07 05:15:03 UTC

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I wish they would extend this policy to some of the other better
restaurants. Not all the time, but to have "adult hours" after a
certain time. Many of the better restaurants (ie Jiko, Yachtsmen
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Rudeney

2008-01-07 16:17:03 UTC

Post by Bumper
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=71186

What's funny to me about this is that I thought it was already this way.
Besides, this is not the only Disney restaurant that restricts
children. Palo on the DCL ships is adults(ages 18 and up) only.

I don't have a problem with children in restaurants as long as the
parents have them behave, but is seems that is a rarity these days.
Just last week, we were at our favorite Mexican restaurant and *two*
children were hanging over the booth staring at us. My wife and I made
comments, specifically just loud enough to be overheard, about how we
wished people would control their children. Of course it did no good,
and on top of that, as that family was leaving, I overheard them saying
how rude *we* were for making comments about their children!

That incident pretty much sums up why places like V&A's and Palo have to
make rules restricting children. The idea of good behavior seems to run
quite a spectrum. Obviously my idea of a child behaving in a restaurant
is much different than that family's. And if they think that was good
behavior for their children, they might just feel it would be
appropriate to take them to V&A's. While their behavior did not ruin my
$12 chile relleno, it certainly would have ruined a $125+ dining
experience at V&A's.

--
- RODNEY

Tentative Next WDW Vacation
Spring Break 2008
(69 Days To Go!)

EllenGee61

2008-01-07 19:48:00 UTC

Post by Rudeney
Obviously my idea of a child behaving in a restaurant
is much different than that family's. - RODNEY

Unfortunately, most people these days have the idea that their kids are
adorable, no matter what their behaviour, and why don't you think that they
are adorable too? I have a 19yo who certainly found it tough sitting still
as a kid with ADHD, but he KNEW what was expected in a restaurant, and I
made sure to bring along things in my purse to keep him occupied! My
friends referred to me as "Mary Poppins" because I was the ONLY one who had
crayons, paper, pens, pencils at the very least, and usually a toy or 2. I
still remember my son sitting in a highchair at age 1 while his 18 mo old
friends ran all over the restaurant practically knocking over the wait staff
while my 2 clueless "friends" sat there not saying a word! I was mortified,
they didn't even try to keep the kids in check. Needless to say, they
didn't become long-term friends like others.

When my son had meltdowns or couldn't sit still, we removed him from the
restaurant until he calmed himself. I would never subject the rest of the
patrons to a constant screaming infant or child, it's not fair. And I STILL
don't understand people, on vacation or just out for dinner around the
corner from home, who take their kids out past 9pm! What's up with that?
Why don't people use babysitters anymore?

Ellen :)

Brian

2008-01-08 00:06:52 UTC

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:48:00 -0500, "EllenGee61"

Post by EllenGee61
And I STILL
don't understand people, on vacation or just out for dinner around the
corner from home, who take their kids out past 9pm! What's up with that?
Why don't people use babysitters anymore?
Ellen :)

On a trip, they may well not have even arrived until late and
babysitters wouldn't be available or at least not ones that parents
would leave kids with.

And some kids are night owls by nature.

EllenGee61

2008-01-08 04:49:24 UTC

Post by Brian
On a trip, they may well not have even arrived until late and
babysitters wouldn't be available or at least not ones that parents
would leave kids with.
And some kids are night owls by nature.

Sorry, I don't buy the "night owls by nature" aspect of kids...parents
create them at such a young age. If you actually set a routine for kids,
they go to bed at a reasonable hour. Understandable, you're on vacation,
you arrive late, etc. Get a quick bite, and get them to bed! You want to
tour the parks for a week starting off with cranky kids? Not me! Kid
should not be eating dinner at 10pm, they should be in bed! Who makes
dining reservations at nice restaurants that late with kids on the DAY of
arrival? sheesh!
JMHO
Ellen :)

Brian

2008-01-09 00:46:42 UTC